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From "Noel J. Bergman" <>
Subject RE: ActiveMQ Graduation From Incubator
Date Wed, 15 Mar 2006 03:54:09 GMT
Dain Sundstrom wrote:

> When AMQ entered the incubator as a sponsored project from Geronimo,
> the current understanding of incubator rules was that AMQ would
> simply use the Geronimo pmc since the Geronimo pmc is expected to be
> the home for the project.  Since then the incubator rules have been
> rewritten several time and based on the emails I saw today

I'm not sure where you got the idea that this or any other policy was
changing from under ActiveMQ.  My comments, for example, regarding Yoko that
"this is not a Geronimo sub-project.  Incubator projects are just that:
Incubator projects whose final destination will be determined at graduation"
were reiteration, not new policy.  Sam and others have said pretty much the
same thing.

It has never, since the inception of the idea of a PPMC, been the case that
a project could use another PMC for its PPMC.  If there is a sponsoring PMC,
it is certainly welcome (and usually expected) to participate, but the
Incubator PMC has sole discretion and authority to bring new projects into
the ASF.

Consider Derby.  Derby had a PPMC.  The DB PMC was not in charge of Derby.
The Incubator PMC managed Derby until graduating it.  Derby went into DB
(although it would have been fine, IMO, if Derby had gone TLP).

Personally, I believe that ActiveMQ ought to be a TLP.  It is clearly the
case that although ActiveMQ can be used by Geronimo, it is an independently
usable, separately releasable project with its own community that happens to
have some overlap with parts of Geronimo.  The same is true of a number of
projects that Geronimo has sponsored (thank you :-)), and which ought to be
separate TLPs in my view.

Keep in mind that the ASF Board has established a pretty conscious decision
for projects to go TLP, and to disband umbrella projects.  The
"Jakartaization of" is not considered a compliment.  What makes a project
with multiple codebases an umbrella is a gray area.

	--- Noel

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