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From "Alan D. Cabrera" <>
Subject Re: Non-final materials in final ASF materials
Date Sat, 18 Mar 2006 16:42:34 GMT
Henri Yandell wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Mar 2006, James Strachan wrote:
>> BTW we are currently calling all the artifacts incubator-activemq-*,
>> the jars are all called incubator-activemq*.jar, we include
>> disclaimers in the distro highlighting the incubator status and also
>> include these inside the manifests of the jars. So its very clear I
>> think to any would-be-user that the code is in the incubator - unless
>> you can think of something else we can do?
>> So it seems our options for working with Geronimo while ActiveMQ is
>> under incubation are
>> (i)  don't use the incubator code, but fork it elsewhere (say to
>> codehaus) and make releases there if Geronimo needs bug fixes
>> (ii) Geronimo use incubator release candidate releases
>> (iii) ActiveMQ performs actual releases that Geronimo can depend on
>> and use but put sufficient warnings in the jars that these are still
>> in the incubator
>> Would you prefer us to follow option (i)? I guess (ii) might be a good
>> compromise given the circumstances?
> +1 to (iii). I see no reason why a project in the Incubator that has 
> been making releases prior to joining the Incubator cannot continue to 
> make those releases. It's damaging to the community we are trying to 
> incubate to suddenly stop their momentum and leave their users in the 
> lurch.
> To do that it definitely needs to have passed some of the checks on 
> the STATUS page. The one that springs to mind is the legal one - it 
> must be legally distributable from the ASF.
> It needs to ship with incubator comments (see Roller releases - which 
> due to not being legally distributable is doing your (i) option). 
> Having a name of incubator-activemq seems fine - with a maven2 groupId 
> of org.apache.incubator.
> On Leo's suggestion that in the incubator there are RC releases and it 
> only goes final when it leaves - I don't think that will help anybody. 
> If the mentors and the Incubator PMC believe that the piece of 
> software being released is production quality - it should be released. 
> Incubation is about the community education and growth - and making 
> sure the code is legally distributable; but not the quality of the code. 

This reflects my feelings as well.


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