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From "Davanum Srinivas" <>
Subject Re: Ode proposal
Date Sat, 18 Feb 2006 19:11:52 GMT
Here's a good chance to review my involvment:

beehive = Was a mentor to help with JSR 181 Impl and Axis integration
cocoon = Consider myself Emeritus, can revoke my karms
geronimo = Was a mentor to help with Axis integration
gump = Was a mentor and helping with for example Kaffe runs for a bit.
harmony = Was a mentor, still keeping an eye.
jakarta-commons = Was once a committer on HTTPClient, could easily
mark myself as Emeritus, can revoke my karma
juice = Needed for WSS4J, so i am helping here a bit, we are talking
about one pmc for both juice and xml-security
ode = You know the story here...
portals = wsrp4j was spun out from ws and helped with transition, can
revoke karma
portals-wsrp4j = spun out from ws, can revoke karma
jcp-axis-nda = Need this to access JAXRPC tck
ws-tsik = We are considering be shutting down incubation of this project.
ws-synapse = This will fold into ws-all after incubation is complete.
ws-tuscany = This will fold into ws-all after incubation is complete.
ws-woden = This will fold into ws-all after incubation is complete.
ws-all = Need this :)
xml-security = Needed for WSS4J, and hence helping a bit.

So what it comes down to what i am actually working on is as follows:
beehive, geronimo, gump, ws-all, security, ode

Which does not sound that bad...same as Ken and Noel. Please note that
if the current proposal *HAD NOT* happened, then we would have started
a bpel impl in ws pmc when we were ready. So that's one less than the
list above.

Now, If you are talking about who the initial committer set is going
to be for ode, Please take that discussion to the ode-dev. You
suggestions are welcome! As Noel mentioned, we will start with Ishmael
and Bill on the PPMC as soon as the incubator pmc vote is done.


On 2/18/06, Niclas Hedhman <> wrote:
> On Saturday 18 February 2006 12:05, Davanum Srinivas wrote:
> > Got word from Noel that the PPMC for Ode (seeded by mentors) will VOTE
> > on giving people access (just like Harmony and other projects).
> Without getting into what representation of Noel's statement was...
> All due respect, I still didn't get an answer on why it is such a big deal
> (Harmony is different due to SCSL exposure, and IIRC no initial codebase
> either).
> Let's assume for a second that the bar of entry is raised to HTTPd levels for
> podlings, and podlings coming into the Incubator at the current rate;
> I can only observe that the individuals driving all these proposals are
> largely the same group of people. Even when working full time on Apache
> projects, each one's effort will stretch very thin.
> Quick (non-scientific[1]) look at projects you guys (mentors of ODE) are
> working on;
>   Dims = 18 projects
>   Strachan = 12 projects
>   Geir = 16 projects
> And compare that with some "heavy weighters";
>   Ken Coar = 6 projects
>   Greg Stein = 5 projects.
>   Roy Fielding = 3 projects
>   Noel Bergman = 6 projects
> Please note; this is not about *your* commitment to ASF, and how you choose to
> distribute your time over 1 or many projects, but isn't it in the interest of
> the ASF to distribute the work load, broaden the community and get "more
> hands on deck"??
> I can't see *any* benefit of locking out the people who wrote the code in the
> first place. I can't see any benefit of the three mentors doing a
> person-by-person vetting process. I only see slower pace and potential
> frustration from individuals who has been working on the codebase, possibly
> for years.
> Cheers
> Niclas
> [1] grep <apachename> /x1/svn/asf-authorization | grep -v ^pmc-chairs | grep
> -v ^svnadmins | grep -v ^members | grep -v ^apsite | grep -v ^committers |
> grep -v ^infrastructure | grep -v pmc | grep -v ^avalon | grep -v ^board |
> grep -c ""
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