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From Davanum Srinivas <>
Subject Re: [VOTE] accept donation of a business process engine into the ServiceMix project
Date Fri, 03 Feb 2006 14:07:10 GMT
Why can't you treat an orchestration engine like a component like the
way you treat Axis or XFire? Why does the code have to live within
ServiceMix? Lot of us want a BPEL engine, we don't want a JBI
container. The code coming in does exactly that, it is a BPEL engine
and has no relation to JBI or Java for that matter. Why can't you have
a separate project for BPEL and add glue code as a JBI component
EXACTLY the way you work with other projects like XFire?

Seriously James I've never seen anyone disagree (in any effective
manner) with you on the list(s). Why is that? Is it because all
decisions happen off-list and all that happens here is the love-fest
as Sanjiva described? Community is not about borg-like ok-ing of

We seem to agree on the ends but not on the means. You like a very
good integration with a BPEL engine for ServiceMix. I like a very good
BPEL engine for its own sake. Am sure we can find people on both sides
and some who may like both objectives.

Why can't we agree to make it work as a separate entity? If not at
least tell us what your *shopping list* contains as to what other JBI
components you are going to bring in by the time incubation is over?


On 2/3/06, James Strachan <> wrote:
> On 3 Feb 2006, at 13:02, Davanum Srinivas wrote:
> > James,
> >
> > There are 2 problems:
> > - As a Geronimo PMC member i feel a BPEL implemenation is out-of-scope
> > of what i voted for when i +1'ed incubation for ServiceMix.
> The proposal for ServiceMix clearly says...
> its a JBI container and component suite. An orchestration engine is a
> JBI component so I see this as perfectly within scope. In your vote
> you never enumerated what JBI components the ServiceMix project could
> and could not develop. Could you maybe give us a list now of what
> components you did vote for?
> > I don't
> > like what's happening and the way you are doing it.
> Sorry about that, we're trying to fix it
> > - Secondly, there just isnt enough information to make a decision one
> > way or another. A proposal would clear up things like what the
> > "supposed" community thinks about a road map for the future say "BPEL
> > 2.0"
> >
> > So, bottom line, Please draw up a new proposal for a separate project.
> So here's the thing; no-one involved (the folks donating the code and
> the committers on the ServiceMix project) want a new project. We all
> want to work in the single JBI project, ServiceMix where the JBI
> container and JBI components live and are developed, documented and
> tested together. We want a single, strong community around JBI.
> James
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