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From Ted Husted <>
Subject Re: The line between full incubation and IP clearance
Date Sun, 01 Jan 2006 20:32:31 GMT
If we are moving from the general case to the specific, then, yes, it
may be that the MyFaces PMC will decide the existing community cannot
work with the code on their own.

The MyFaces PMC might then choose to bring a proposal to the Incubator
PMC to create a podling, and see if the Incubator PMC is willing to
incubate the ADF community along with the codebase, and then later
decide if ADF should be a MyFaces subproject or a TLP (or retired).

Once the code is exposed, it's even possible that the MyFaces
community will pass on the donation, and nothing will come of this at

As I've said on MyFaces dev@, these types of ADF dicussions are
premature, because no one has put the code on the table yet.


On 1/1/06, Martin Cooper <> wrote:
>  In some cases, I would agree. In others, I would not. In the particular
> case of MyFaces accepting the ADF Faces donation, for example, I believe
> that MyFaces has a general JSF community, but I disagree that there will
> therefore be a de facto community around ADF Faces just because the MyFaces
> PMC decides to accept the code. This has to do with the scale of the
> donation. While none of us have seen the code yet, my expectation is that
> the donation will be at least as large as the existing MyFaces code base, if
> not larger. That is not something that would be naturally absorbed by an
> existing community.
>  In fact, in this particular case, it seems clear from the discussions on
> dev@myfaces that most people - from both MyFaces and ADF Faces - would
> prefer that the ADF Faces donation go through the full incubation process. I
> fully understand and respect your desire to close the "free committership"
> loophole, but I also believe that such a substantial donation warrants full
> incubation. Short of asking Oracle to keep the proposed committer list to a
> minimum (e.g. Adam & John), I'm not sure how we can resolve this dilemma.
>  --
>  Martin Cooper
> > What is before the Incubator PMC is the issue of whether the
> > code *can* be licensed to the Foundation. Whether the code *should* be
> > licensed to the Foundation is a decision best left to the receiving
> > PMC, who, by direction of the Board, already decide whether such code
> > should be licensed to the ASF every time there is a commit to that
> > project.
> >
> > -Ted.

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