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From Andrew Clark <>
Subject Re: ajax proposal?
Date Mon, 16 Jan 2006 18:18:22 GMT
There's no guarantee that any particular project will even
exit incubation. So I don't agree that a bit of code entering 
incubation is a defacto endorsement by Apache.

I thought the whole purpose of the Incubator was to allow
potential code time to breathe and its respective community
to get some legs behind it. I think submissions should be
voted up or down to enter incubation based on whether we 
think the technology is a fit for Apache. And, personally,
I think AJAX is the perfect fit.

Let the project succeed or fail on its merits, not because
we're waiting for the perfect implementation to fall into
our laps.

That's my two yen.

----- Original Message -----
From: Martin Cooper <>
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 9:06:50 PM
Subject: Re: ajax proposal?

On Sat, 7 Jan 2006, Sanjiva Weerawarana wrote:

> On Thu, 2006-01-05 at 14:36 -0500, Jim Jagielski wrote:
>> On Jan 5, 2006, at 1:38 PM, Sam Ruby wrote:
>>> Sanjiva and I have experience with Apache SOAP.  Two rewrites
>>> later, and there is a thriving community working on Apache Axis2.
>>> The goal here is not to "crown" anything, but to provide the grain
>>> of sand that will lead to the production of a pearl.
> +1; I don't see this as a crowning at all.

Bringing something to the ASF immediately raises its profile in the world, 
and many people look at that as a badge of merit, and will assume that 
this must be the right way to do things.

Martin Cooper

>> I am a big +1 on the ASF getting "involved" with AJAX.
> Me too.
> When the time's right, I'll be happy to help sponsor/mentor this project
> with the idea of heading for an AJAX TLP at some point. Hopefully before
> graduation we'll get a couple more AJAX projects coming in and getting
> all married together or co-existing/competing under the same TLP
> umbrella. Given we have dozens of Webapp frameworks for Java server
> side, I don't see how the world will end up with less than dozens of
> AJAX frameworks. First entrant to the new project will not be a
> guaranteed "winner" as there will be no single "winner."
> Sanjiva.
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