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From Martin Marinschek <>
Subject Re: ajax proposal?
Date Mon, 16 Jan 2006 22:04:06 GMT
I'd be very happy to have a discussion on technical points as well.



On 1/16/06, Noel J. Bergman <> wrote:
> Martin Cooper wrote:
> > Noel J. Bergman <> wrote:
> > > I don't believe that the ASF should be a place for "crowning"
> > > staid and mature projects.  I would like to see continued
> > > innovation here, too.
> > I agree with you. Unfortunately, from what I've seen from looking
> > at Zimbra, it's more like the first generation way of doing DHTML
> > frameworks. I'd prefer not to have that become the de facto standard
> These are fair points, but as I've said in some other e-mails today, why are
> they fatal, rather than things that can be addressed during Incubation?  Are
> you saying that the community is fatally flawed and cannot evolve?  Isn't
> that a bit like saying that we should reject Struts because JSF is the
> newer, better way, and we don't believe that the Struts community can evolve
> outside their box?
> FWIW, if one of the Zimbra folks is out there reading these messages, I
> would like to see some sort of technical response to some of the concerns
> that have been raised regarding the current Zimbra approach, and where the
> overall AJAX technology appears to be evolving.
>         --- Noel
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