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From Sanjiva Weerawarana <>
Subject Re: ajax proposal?
Date Tue, 24 Jan 2006 13:24:07 GMT
Hi Raphael,

> I would agree with this if there was no immediate percieved benefit
> when you are in Incubator, unfortunately it seems projects under
> incubation are still perceived by the larger community as endorsed by
> Apache.

If that's indeed the problem then we need to work on clearing up that
misconception. That concern applies to all projects in the Incubator,
not just this candidate.

I don't see it as reasonable to reject this proposal on that basis.

> As long as this is true, accepting a project in the incubator even if
> it stays there indefinitely *does* matter to me.
> In the end, I don't think it's a personal prejudice but more a lack of
> trust in the motivations of the proposal.

That's a very strong statement .. let's please keep this conversation
totally civil and respectful. This proposal is, after all, being
strongly supported by Sam, who's not just a 2-bit member like me but
rather a board member that you and I and other members elected to look
after the best interests of the foundation. I've known Sam for many
years and he's stubborn as a deaf mule and the last person who will give
into pressure from his employer to do something that will harm the ASF.
Sam has consistently been jumping into new stuff and really having
dramatic impact quickly and intensely. I suspect he will do the same
with this and I don't expect the other people around him will enjoy
every minute of it. (I know I haven't for the stuff I've been around
with him for ;-))

> I'm confused too by the voting process and repeated proposals even before
> the discussion has died down.

I think the new vote was called after the discussion settled (or we
jumped to another horse to beat on) but clearly things are in a confused
state now.


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