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From robert burrell donkin <>
Subject Re: The Incubator and Infrastructure
Date Mon, 05 Sep 2005 16:46:45 GMT
On 9/5/05, David Crossley <> wrote:
> Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> > David Crossley wrote:
> >
> > > I suggest that we go further and make it a requirement
> > > of graduation from the Incubator that the project
> > > already has some people helping at infra@
> >
> > That can only apply if there are ASF Members willing to do it, because we
> > don't give apmail or root access to non-Members.  And not everyone wants or
> > feels competent to manage the tasks.
> >
> > What tasks did you have in mind?
> Anything. Even just answering other users queries.
> That will relieve the other infra people to attend
> to the new project's core needs.
> I want to instill at the beginning that we all
> need to look after our own ASF - love your Infra.
> If you want to participate in a project, then be
> prepared to assist with the general infrastructure.
> Leave the rest of this account creation type stuff
> to the main infra people ...

it's important that every project has committers who are familiar with
the apache infrastructure. for example, release management requires
knowledge of infrastructure policy which can (at the moment) only be
gained by subscribing to the list. so IMO all release managers should
subscribe and read the infrastructure list.

podlings are going to need release managers. it's better for them to
volunteer early so that they have time to (subscribe and) learn.
therefore, i'd say that all podlings should have some committers who
are subscribed to infrastructure. (hopefully, where they are there,
they might find time to submit some documentation patches ;)

it's also a question of culture. incubation needs to acclimatize
projects to the way that the apache infrastructure team works. the
best way to learn this is by subscribing to the infrastructure list.
they need to know where to look for information and (if the
information is missing) that the right attitude is to volunteer to
patch the documents once someone answers the question. a few pmc'er
with reasonable knowledge of the apache infrastructure and where to
find information are vital in reducing the number of questions that
need to be posted to infrastructure.

IMHO some of the difficulties with infrastructure have been to do with
the slowness of the flow of people from jakarta through to
infrastructure. it should be a natural progress from pmc'er to release
manager through to being active on the infrastructure list to helping
out the infrastructure team. IMO this postive flow needs to be
established early for new projects.

- robert

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