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From Justin Erenkrantz <>
Subject Re: a few steps before approving a project
Date Thu, 01 Sep 2005 15:49:19 GMT
--On September 1, 2005 11:32:49 AM -0400 Jim Jagielski <> wrote:

> The problem is that, up until the Incubator, there was
> relatively little oversight on new and incoming projects, at
> least in how they entered the ASF. Certainly the board
> could not keep track, and PMCs would occasionally
> not keep the board up to date. You then add in the fact
> that some of those projects had no concept of what
> the ASF was about, etc,... and it was a non-optimal
> situation.
> The Incubator was designed to be a funnel and a clearinghouse
> for new projects; yes, for the legal aspects, yes to
> ensure that the community grows and develops as it
> should, but also, I feel, to look at projects and
> see how they fit; to basically be the eyes and ears of
> the board with respect to these new projects.
> Now certainly having a PMC sponsor a project says
> a great deal and the Incubator does, and should,
> know that that approval carries a lot of weight.
> But again, I don't feel it is unreasonable for the
> Incubator also formally accept a podling, via
> some mechanism.


> To be blunt, the PMC is worried about the PMC alone; the
> Incubator is concerned about the ASF in general. Once in
> a rare while, the 2 might have conflicts.

The Incubator PMC may also be aware of issues that the other PMC is not 
cognizant of.

> Lets be even more blunt. Once a podling is accepted
> into the Incubator, it is awarded almost instant credibility.
> Basically, it is using the Apache name and the Apache
> brand. Certainly the Incubator should ensure that any
> podling doesn't abuse that, and it should also ensure that
> the proposal and podling isn't just an avenue for creating
> instant buzz and instant credibility, for the benefit
> of the podling 1st and the ASF secondly (or less).
> The board has said many times, concerning growth, that
> when the brakes need to be applied, the Incubator would
> be the 1st entity to feel it, or want it. They are
> the canary in the coal mine.

+1.  -- justin

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