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From Niclas Hedhman <>
Subject Re: The Incubator and Infrastructure
Date Fri, 02 Sep 2005 06:19:21 GMT
On Friday 02 September 2005 10:28, Davanum Srinivas wrote:
> Several people on WS-PMC offered to help infra. They were turned down
> as they are not members.

This has been my impression as well.

infra@ is begging for help, but seems to have problem with;

 a. only members allowed in for the stuff that each projects
    PMC Chair can't do already.

 b. requesting people without access to help out on answering
    questions, which more often than not, requires peeks into
    files that such volunteer doesn't have access to, or to 
    places that may or may not be documented.

  There are three ways to ease the burden on infra team, and I think all are 
   1. reduction of requests coming into infra@ (this thread covers that),
   2. more hands to help out,
   3. more tools to automate.

I am specially curious of what can be done about 3.
ASF consists of (allegedly) more than a 1000 committers. How hard could it be 
to find a couple that are capable of putting this in place? Very. Since only 
members are allowed in, they are busy elsewhere and infra team has no time to 
extract all the details for someone to implement these independently, or so 
it seems.

Now, I have suggested before, and still do, that infra starts/becomes a 
standard ASF project, source code, site, jira, wiki, dev mailing list and all 
the normal setup, including ordinary committers and contributors. Infra 
places the requests of tools to be made into the Jira there and let evolution 
take over.

In my book, it shouldn't be too hard to create web forms for every type of 
recurring infrastructure request, make such forms available to the 
committers/members/PMC chairs and have them do all the "work" and infra team 
only needs a "Execute" button after reviewing the details and some type of 
verification that this is to be done.

As for more hands, I think the infrastructure team needs to compile a list of 
what committers, members and root must do. Once you have identified work that 
"committers" can do, members should volunteer higher up the ladder, and 
likewise for roots.


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