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From "Noel J. Bergman" <>
Subject RE: JDO2 Snapshots
Date Tue, 09 Aug 2005 01:39:35 GMT
Cliff Schmidt wrote:
> Jochen Wiedmann wrote:

> > Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> > > Please note that although we have attempted to establish
> > > a balanced policy, it is not our goal to have widespread
> > > adoption of projects that are still in the Incubator.  We
> > > want projects to be making a focused effort to get out of
> > > the Incubator.
> > To me, that's a contradiction. "Widespread adoption" will help
> > building a community. Which is clearly a primary goal of most
> > projects in incubation.

> I agree with Jochen on this.  I hesitate to bring this subject
> up yet again, but since it has been one of my pet concerns in
> the past

As I said, it is about balance.  The community that we most care about
during Incubation is the developer community, not the end-user community.  I
could go so far as to say that a bit of inconvenience for end-users is not a
bad thing because we don't want *widespread* adoption by end-users until the
project completes Incubation.  And we certainly want end-users to know what
they are getting into if/when they choose to adopt a project in the

> There have been times when the Incubator PMC has defined the bar for
> graduation to include (in addition to the legal check, the logistics,
> and the general Apache-style community) strong user adoption and a
> very diverse set of committers.

I have *never* seen strong user adoption listed as a criteria.  Not once.
Nor would I support it as a requirement.

	--- Noel

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