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From "Noel J. Bergman" <>
Subject RE: a few steps before approving a project
Date Wed, 31 Aug 2005 23:25:40 GMT

> - change the Incubator PMC charter (not that we have a official
> charter) to include approving of all new projects

To quote (or paraphrase) Roy, it is not the Incubator PMC's role to second
guess other ASF PMCs when it comes to introducing new ASF projects.

> - ensure all proposals use the same standard template


> - add a question to the template asking whether the person(s)
> proposing are aware of similar open source projects inside or
> outside the ASF.

To what end?  I know what is motivating this.  In my view, any group that
wants to part of the ASF, under our IP and Community policies, is welcomed.
The ASF should not be in the business of forbidding people to work on things
here just because someone else feels that it should be happening in their
fiefdom.  We don't even require uniqueness within the ASF, much less between
us and other groups.  Should JAMES insist that the HTTP Server project shut
down mod_smtpd?

> consider having a formal liaison at a few key external open source
> communities to give a friendly notice to whenever the Incubator PMC
> knows there's a proposal that could be controversial

I am in favor of liaisons with other communities, but even making the
judgment call required above is claiming a subjective value.

> require that the Incubator PMC loops in the PRC on any project that
> could have any chance of media attention (either because of there
> overall significance of the project, the potential for controversy,
> expected vendor press releases, or the opportunity to release a joint
> statement with some other organization).

EVERY project should involve the PRC.  The PRC is entirely underused, even
if overcommitted.

And don't forget that contrary to what was said on this thread, existing
PMCs *can* start their own projects from existing ASF committers and new
codebases that are developed within the ASF infrastructure without going
through the Incubator.  The motivation for your e-mail would apply to those
as well.

	--- Noel

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