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From Eddie ONeil <>
Subject Re: Beehive status?
Date Mon, 06 Jun 2005 01:42:10 GMT

  I've updated the Beehive status here:

Still have to add project-specific goals.  

We'll be sure to keep this current going forward.


On 6/5/05, Eddie ONeil <> wrote:
> Noel--
>   This is a great question -- apologies that it's not more discernable
> from the web site.  It's unfortunate that it hasn't been updated in a
> while...I'll take care of getting it current.
>   I'll give my take on our status -- anyone else who has an opinion,
> feel free to chime in.
>   I believe that Beehive is making good progress toward graduating
> from the Incubator.  We started out having a good mix of
> corporate-sponsored (BEA) and non-sponsored committers and have added
> two others over the course of the last 10 months or so.  These are:
>   Fumitada Hattori (Wolfgang) -- 12/17/2004
>   Bryan Che -- 2/7/2005
> In addition, the pipeline of potential committers is building across
> Beehive.  I know of non-sponsored individuals working on:
> - Tomcat 5.5 security integration for NetUI Page Flow
> - A Maven 2.0 plugin for building Beehive projects
> - Documentation of Ant used to build Beehive source artifacts
> I'm quite excited about starting to see this kind of contribution as
> one or all of these would put an individual on a path to
> committership.  And, these are the beginnings of the contributions I'd
> expect to see as the community starts to use more stable Beehive
> releases.
> The last status report I saw was on 4/26/05:
> In it, we expressed our intention to push to a 1.0-level release.  As
> a result of driving toward this, I think we've had fewer design-type
> discussion on beehive-dev@ and have been talking more about samples,
> nightlies, and other release issues.  I agree that there has been a
> disproportionate quantity of JIRA mail -- part of this is BEA having
> testers looking at Beehive.
> Admittedly, WSM has stagnated a bit since the spring given the time
> it's taken to finalize the JSR 181 spec.  Once that is public, I hope
> we'll be able to have Wolfgang, Ias, and Dims helping with the work to
> pass the TCK under the NDA terms Geir has provided.
> Today, we're really done with a 1.0 for Beehive's Controls and NetUI
> components.  I would personally like to see Beehive get an "official"
> 1.0 done (more on this below) in order to further help community
> building.  One thing that would help would be decoupling WSM from our
> release cycle until the TCK work is done (was honestly going to bring
> this up on beehive-dev@ tomorrow).  Otherwise, Controls and NetUI are
> being held up and we're keeping stable software from our potential
> community.  We've also tabled some design discussions in beehive-dev@
> and in JIRA bugs (for example, around Controls) until the 1.0 is
> complete.
> There is definitely interest in approaching other projects like
> Struts, MyFaces, Geronimo, HiveMind, Velocity, and Spring to look at
> how we can integrate and work together going forward.  In driving to
> 1.0, I've certainly not been focusing on this but would love to build
> a Control container for Geronimo.  Definitely more of this sort of
> thing to come.  :)
> Overall with Community Building -- I think we "get it" now.  I'm
> definitely committed to being very transparent about design decisions
> and code with Beehive going forward and I'm sure others are as well.
> It's been a good lesson to learn while in the Incubator.
> As far as an "official" release goes -- I know this isn't generally
> possible in the Incubator, so it'd be great if we could discuss our
> options.  These seem to be to call it 1.0 (and of course still satisfy
> the incubation branding requirements).  Or, we can start talking about
> what steps we need to take in order to graduate Beehive from the
> Incubator so that we can do so.  Anyone have thoughts on this?
>   So, that's where we are...does that help?
> Thoughts / comments / flames welcome.  :)
> Eddie
> On 6/5/05, Noel J. Bergman <> wrote:
> > What is the status of Beehive?
> >
> > I will preface this by indicating that I was looking to see how Beehive was
> > progressing towards leaving the Incubator.  So I started out to see if there
> > were new committers being considered, new names coming along, or just how
> > discussions were occurring, and I'm not seeing any.  I do see that the
> > project status shows a mix of Committers from multiple vectors (SVN logs
> > appear to show two committers added since August 2004, both non-BEA -- not a
> > lot, but not nothing), although I have not looked to see how active any
> > given Committer has been in the community.
> >
> > Taking a look at, it
> > appears to need some updating.  It doesn't record decisions such as adding
> > new committers, although it reflects their presence.  Reviewing the
> > Quarterly reports for this year, I realize that Beehive has not provided any
> > content for them since last Fall.
> >
> > Reviewing the past several months of archives for beehive-dev, I notice that
> > a very high percentage of messages are JIRA notices.  Hardly any developer
> > discussion appears on the mailing list.  Where is it happening?  I expected,
> > for example, that I might see discussions between beehive, Struts and
> > MyFaces developers, considering that one of the challenges for Struts v2 is
> > JSF integration, and beehive is also addressing that issue.  I do see good
> > discussions on beehive-user, but those relate to using beehive, albeit as a
> > developer, rather than developing it.
> >
> > All of this relates to Community Building.  What is the perception within
> > Beehive?  Am I just missing things?
> >
> >         --- Noel
> >
> >

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