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From "J Aaron Farr" <>
Subject Re: Proposal for a centralized Eclipse update manager site for Apache projects/software
Date Tue, 03 May 2005 17:33:16 GMT
On 5/3/05, Jeffrey Liu <> wrote:
> Hi Dion,
> Thanks for your response. The existing repository won't work. Unlike a
> Java application, putting JARs on the classpath is not sufficient to make
> Eclipse aware of these libraries. Eclipse needs to work with something
> known as an Eclipse plug-in, which is really the JARs themselves plus a
> couple XML configuration files. So, in order to make use of the Eclipse
> update manager, we need to bundle the JARs, the XML configuration files
> and other files such as license/readme/etc together in the form of an
> Eclipse plug-in.


In thinking about your proposal more I've got a few questions:

Are you looking for plugins that simply fulfill Eclipse project
dependencies or full-fledged plugins that would, for example, allow
you to launch Axis or Tomcat from within Eclipse?  If it's resolving
dependencies, then I don't see how a plugin wrapper around the jars
would do this without some Eclipse code to integrate into the
development environment (WTP,PDE,JDT).  AFAIK providing just a plugin
wrapper would only be useful for other plugin developers, not for a
'end-user' developer who would happen to be using the WTP.

Plugins which extend the IDE to use ASF projects such as a Struts or
Tomcat plugin are already available via various third parties.  Are
you suggesting the ASF should provide its own Eclipse plugins with
similar functionality?

The Eclipse project itself provides some ASF related plugins, most
notably the Tomcat plugin used for Eclipse's help system.  Is this the
sort of plugin you are looking for?  Likewise, Eclipse has started the
new Lepido project for a Cocoon development environment.  Seeing that
Eclipse already hosts ASF related plugins, is there any reason for the
ASF to host a similar update site?

I can see some advantage to providing ASF releases in plugin form but only
for plugin developers, not for most Eclipse end users.


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