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From Mark Wielaard <>
Subject RE: Harmony: project purpose
Date Sat, 07 May 2005 10:32:48 GMT

On Sat, 2005-05-07 at 00:20 -0400, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> Mark Wielaard wrote:
> > I had hoped it would have more emphasized the fact that we would do
> > everything in our power to work out the philosophical, legal and
> > practical issues when reusing existing code for Harmony.
> Well, I think it does try, but at this point it must be more important how
> we go on from here.  :-)  And your expression is an important part of that
> process.

Thanks. I feel it is important that we build bridges between the Apache
and GNU communities whenever possible.

> > I explicitly said that I would not contribute to any Apache licensed
> > project as long as code distributed under the (L)GPL and ASL couldn't
> > be mixed into a larger work.
> You are aware that the ASF and FSF are trying to address the issues, and
> this effort may help move that along.
> > At least for the GNU Classpath project we have a special exception
> And we're still trying to work out some issues with the FSF there.  Unless
> there has been a breakthrough recently, we posed very specific use cases,
> and have as yet not gotten the necessary response.

I didn't realize these were for the GNU Classpath license. Which you can
read here:
I thought these questions were in connection with the LGPL and how to
interpret the explanation posted by the FSF here:

I'll make sure I talk to one of the FSF legal people again to make sure
there is progress in these discussions. Some people are setting up a new
teleconference between the ASF and FSF to talk about these issues more

> > Kaffe is currently in the process of getting access to the TCK:
> >
> The aforementioned issues between GPL and AL aside, I am still trying to see
> how the TCK licensing restrictions are compatible with the GPL.

I am not a party in these discussions. And as I understood from Dalibor
from the Kaffe team the actual terms are still under discussion and
confidential at the moment. So I am not sure they can already tell how
and if Sun wants to handle this.


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