From general-return-5048-apmail-incubator-general-archive=incubator.apache.org@incubator.apache.org Mon Mar 14 16:09:02 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 24451 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2005 16:09:01 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (209.237.227.199) by minotaur-2.apache.org with SMTP; 14 Mar 2005 16:09:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 66283 invoked by uid 500); 14 Mar 2005 16:08:59 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 65997 invoked by uid 500); 14 Mar 2005 16:08:58 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 65983 invoked by uid 99); 14 Mar 2005 16:08:58 -0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=10.0 tests=FORGED_RCVD_HELO X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (hermes.apache.org: local policy) Received: from gulcu002.worldcom.ch (HELO mail.qos.ch) (212.74.184.210) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 08:08:57 -0800 Received: from kal.qos.ch (kal [192.168.1.3]) by mail.qos.ch (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2F941EC073; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 17:21:30 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <6.0.3.0.0.20050314170252.03a153b0@mail.qos.ch> X-Sender: ceki@mail.qos.ch (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.3.0 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 17:10:30 +0100 To: general@incubator.apache.org, From: Ceki =?iso-8859-1?Q?G=FClc=FC?= Subject: RE: What is a healthy community? WAS: log4net 1.2.9 beta release In-Reply-To: References: <6.0.3.0.0.20050314120929.03a47ed0@mail.qos.ch> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Virus-Checked: Checked X-Spam-Rating: minotaur-2.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Noel, To keep this discussion honest and open, I would appreciate if we could=20 dissociate it from the particular case of Logging Services. I am happy to=20 discuss whatever questions or comments you might have on LS on a separate=20 thread. Is that OK with you? At 04:38 PM 3/14/2005, Noel J. Bergman wrote: >Ceki G=FClc=FC wrote: > > I don't think the LS PMC could take over log4x code if the > > current contributors stopped working on it. > > (a) In what what is the Logging PMC managing the project? > What makes log4__ part of Logging other than a common-ish API? > (b) What about community development? > >As a general rule, developing community is essential to the long-term >viability of a project. And in the case of Loggging, it sounds as if= you've >really got an ontological collection of otherwise unrelated projects, which >at the least means that each needs community development. > >Dw addressed the rest of your issues, and I'm in agreement with him, so= I'll >leave his words to stand. > > > What do people involved with several different projects have to say > > on the matter? > >Whatever they wish to say. One thing that I like about the Incubator is >that it provides a focal point for discussing ASF practices. > > --- Noel --=20 Ceki G=FClc=FC The complete log4j manual: http://www.qos.ch/log4j/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org