From general-return-5059-apmail-incubator-general-archive=incubator.apache.org@incubator.apache.org Tue Mar 15 19:06:59 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 42215 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2005 19:06:57 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (209.237.227.199) by minotaur-2.apache.org with SMTP; 15 Mar 2005 19:06:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 3809 invoked by uid 500); 15 Mar 2005 19:06:54 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 3703 invoked by uid 500); 15 Mar 2005 19:06:53 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 3690 invoked by uid 99); 15 Mar 2005 19:06:53 -0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=10.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (hermes.apache.org: domain of aok123@bellsouth.net designates 205.152.59.66 as permitted sender) Received: from imf18aec.mail.bellsouth.net (HELO imf18aec.mail.bellsouth.net) (205.152.59.66) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 11:06:52 -0800 Received: from [172.16.1.7] ([65.80.200.112]) by imf18aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.11 201-253-122-130-111-20040605) with ESMTP id <20050315190650.QFDS7187.imf18aec.mail.bellsouth.net@[172.16.1.7]> for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 14:06:50 -0500 Message-ID: <42373249.1070700@bellsouth.net> Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 14:06:49 -0500 From: Alex Karasulu User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: What is a healthy community? WAS: log4net 1.2.9 beta release References: <6.0.3.0.0.20050312163525.038648e8@mail.qos.ch> <6.0.3.0.0.20050314120929.03a47ed0@mail.qos.ch> <20050314034430.S64999@skutsje.san.webweaving.org> <6.0.3.0.0.20050314153300.03a46910@mail.qos.ch> <42371F9C.7010404@Golux.Com> In-Reply-To: <42371F9C.7010404@Golux.Com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Checked: Checked X-Spam-Rating: minotaur-2.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >Ceki Gülcü wrote: > > >>However, one core component of democracy is the separation of powers >>and independence between the 3 branches of government. >> >> > >If you are referring to the U.S. model, that isn't a democracy either. >It's a republic. Again, there are similar aspects but they are quite >different. > > > Could not help but voice this opinion :). A republic is a state that pays representatives to vote for you on your behalf. In one extreme, a republic can almost approach a Democracy. In the other end of the spectrum, a republic approaches an Aristocracy according to jean-Jacques Rousseau ("When people rule by their wallets ..."). IMHO America is definately an Aristocracy even though we pretend that money does not creep into the picture. Lobbies are proof that money matters. I don't want to compare Apache to what we "market" as Democracy here. Personally I think of Apache more as a Technocratic Meritocracy. Here you're knowledge of the currrent topic (Technocracy) in combination with your energy input (Meritocracy) determines you're role in driving the issues at hand. I like to think of passion and wisdom as our driving human factors in governance rather than greed. Oh and +1 on having a threshold/requirement of 3 or more peeps to a project. It takes 3 to have a party (the fun kind). My 0.02, Alex --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org