From general-return-5135-apmail-incubator-general-archive=incubator.apache.org@incubator.apache.org Tue Mar 29 11:55:32 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 68790 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2005 11:55:32 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (209.237.227.199) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 29 Mar 2005 11:55:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 33493 invoked by uid 500); 29 Mar 2005 11:55:29 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 33192 invoked by uid 500); 29 Mar 2005 11:55:29 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 33179 invoked by uid 99); 29 Mar 2005 11:55:29 -0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=10.0 tests=FORGED_RCVD_HELO,SPF_HELO_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: neutral (hermes.apache.org: local policy) Received: from ms-smtp-01.nyroc.rr.com (HELO ms-smtp-01.nyroc.rr.com) (24.24.2.55) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 03:55:27 -0800 Received: from 192.168.42.107 (cpe-66-66-184-131.rochester.res.rr.com [66.66.184.131]) by ms-smtp-01.nyroc.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id j2TBtMK3015782 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 06:55:23 -0500 (EST) From: Ted Husted To: X-Mailer: PocoMail 3.1 (1880) - Licensed Version Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 06:37:20 -0500 Message-ID: <200532965518.264231@PC15> In-Reply-To: <200532963720.406340@PC15> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Graduate iBATIS and recommend as TLP Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Checked: Checked X-Spam-Rating: minotaur.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 22:41:18 -0500, Noel J. Bergman= =A0wrote: >=A0Ted, > >=A0It seems appropriate to graduate, but should iBATIS be a TLP, or go under >=A0db.apache.org, along with Derby and related Jakarta Commons code that has >=A0been moving, in your opinion? > >=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0--- Noel We did discuss it when the application for incubator was made (see message= #4003 of 09 Aug 2004), but given that the db project has been revitalized= lately, it is worth mentioning again. The primary issue is scope. Currently, iBATIS has two core products, along= with the usual examples and documentation bundles. The core DataMapper is= an adapter that transfers data between database statements and objects. The= second product is a DAO framework. Both products are available for Java and= C#. Counting the example applications and documentation, we have eight= product distributions in play now, overseen by six very active PPMC= members. Some of us would like to start a PHP5 implementation before long.= To keep all the products compatible, we also plan a specification product.= That would bring the total number distributions to twelve or more. As it stands, the iBATIS product line is cohesive since the products share= common implementation strategies and will ultimately be implementations of= a formal specification. iBATIS is only loosely coupled to the other= db.apache.org products. The products all involve database technologies, but= they do not share a common codebase or coding paradigm, or, AFAIK,= development community. =A0 IMHO, merging the iBATIS PPMC with the db PMC would tend to create a= granfaloon [http://www.kcoyle.net/granfalloons.html] :) rather than a= karass. :) -Ted. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org