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From Davanum Srinivas <>
Subject Re: What is a healthy community? WAS: log4net 1.2.9 beta release
Date Sun, 13 Mar 2005 13:01:03 GMT
Data Point #1: jUDDI and JaxMe have more people than there were when
they exited incubation. In fact jUDDI has given rise to another
project Apache Scout which is a JAXR implementation.


Data Point #2: I was personally trying to get at least 2 other
projects into the Apache fold (name withheld), but they eventually
decided on codehaus. due to complicated/difficult incubation process
(at least that was their perception)

Data Point #3: Need clear guidlines "3 people who can +1 a release,
from 3 different companies"? Am thinking about Apollo, Hermes, Muse
and how we could speed up the process for them to exit incubation.
Basically Apollo and Hermes can be used stand-alone, and both are used
in muse.


-- dims

On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 05:40:42 -0500, Noel J. Bergman <> wrote:
> Niclas Hedhman wrote:
> > by making sure that the project does have a community before it
> > leaves the Incubator, as we have been tasked to do, we increase
> > its odds for success.
> > Noel, I must say that reading your comment, sounds that you
> > are "power hungry" and wants to remain in control.
> Of what?  Moreover, mine is just one voice.  And why would I care?  What I
> do care about is the image that the ASF has cultivated.
> > > > it is far more likely to gain community once it leaves incubator
> > > The historical facts do not support that perspective.
> > So what are the historical facts? Please present some. Which graduated
> > project did not gain a wider community after graduation?
> log4cxx appears to be the same three people that have been involved in it
> for the past 6 months.  mod_aspdotnet does not appear to have any more
> committers today than when it left.  I'm not sure what is happening with
> jUDDI or JaxMe.  log4net appears to be just Nicko.  log4php appears to be
> just Marco, and hasn't been touched in 9 months, as best I can tell from a
> quick browse.
> Lenya, Geronimo, Derby, Directory, XMLBeans, and others have been required
> to develop their communities, and appear to have benefited from that
> requirement.
> > Log4Net has a strong community. It is known as the Logging Services
> project.
> If that were the case, there wouldn't be an issue.  However, in this case,
> the reply was that there are issues in taking responsibility for the code,
> based upon limited ability to support the language/platform.
> Personally, I would hope that the incubation tagged distribution would help
> to attract additional people to work on the project so that this problem can
> go away.
>         --- Noel
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