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From Jim Jagielski <>
Subject Re: What is a healthy community? WAS: log4net 1.2.9 beta release
Date Mon, 14 Mar 2005 19:51:26 GMT

On Mar 14, 2005, at 2:29 PM, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:

> On Mar 13, 2005, at 2:26 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
>>> Data Point #3: Need clear guidlines "3 people who can +1 a release,
>>> from 3 different companies"?
>> That issue was addressed earlier with respect to XMLBeans.  I don't 
>> know
>> that there really is a definitive answer other than that we want to 
>> make
>> sure that there is sufficient oversight and independence from any 
>> given
>> employer.
> The trouble I have here is that I like to believe that company 
> affiliation is left at the door when it comes to governance, and is 
> irrelevant when it comes to technology in that of your employer wants 
> you to implement the Frooble Device driver, you implement it, as long 
> as there aren't valid technical reasons not to.
> IOW, as long as employment considerations don't enter into decisions 
> about governance, it's fine.  If it does happen, the board can step 
> in, or someone can fork it.
> I think this is even less of an issue when it becomes a part of a 
> larger, healthy PMC.

Although I agree that during Incubation, the potential conflict is 
higher, depending on the contributors. For example, if the
code is from 3 current ASF project committers (and possibly members)
then we already trust that they wear their ASF hats when involved
in ASF "work". If the 3 people are new to the ASF, then the
Incubator should ensure that they know that corporate allegiences
should not apply or be a factor, and the Incubator is wise
in being a bit more sensitive in this area, under these

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