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From Clinton Begin <>
Subject Re: SVN Import ... Please help us graduate ...
Date Sun, 06 Feb 2005 20:00:01 GMT
Thank Noel, for getting this done.  

Ted's been a great mentor and did make the point to us a couple of
times.  We were in a tight spot with having two completely separate
repositories with different tools.  Furthermore, it was by far the
most disruptive part of the move.  Ted would have had a hard time
convincing us (especially me) to make such a committment before we had
felt out the Apache incubator and the process.

Moving to Apache is a big decision for an independent OSS project, and
the code is all we have as a community.  Thus we had protected it for
the sake of our community, just as Apache will now.

Regardless, we appreciate the criticality of having our code within
the Apache infrastructure and in hindsight should have done it much
sooner, if not first.  I just didn't want Ted to take the heat for

Best regards,

Clinton Begin  

On Sun, 6 Feb 2005 12:50:58 -0500, Noel J. Bergman <> wrote:
> Ted,
> I've loaded the SVN dump into the test repository, and we can make it live
> as soon as everyone agrees is it OK.
> I appreciate your comments, but I am also very much concerned about setting
> a precedent that it is OK to use non-ASF resources for critical
> infrastructure, and it is not.  The code repository should have been moved
> months ago, and I wish that you would have pestered more to make sure it
> happened.  We also need to improve our ability to establish the necessary
> resources in a timely manner.
>         --- Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ted Husted []
> Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 16:38
> To:
> Cc:;
> Subject: RE: SVN Import ... Please help us graduate ...
> I'll get a dump from WUSH.NET, Noel. Thanks for following up.
> While we've been committing to an offsite repository, all the actual work
> has been done within the ASF infrastructure. Development decisions are made
> on the ASF dev list, users are supported on the ASF user lists, issues are
> resolved through the ASF JIRA installation, and the project resources are
> made public through the ASF website. This has all been true for either weeks
> or months now. I've even been forwarding commit logs from the offsite
> repository to our commit list.
> Since the iBATIS project is ~so~ very active, we've held off on moving the
> repository until last. But, I think you would agree, the real work of an ASF
> project is how it interacts with its Community. The iBATIS Community is
> alive and kicking in the ASF infrastructure and has been for some time now.
> :)
> -Ted.
> On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 15:24:12 -0500, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> > Ted,
> >
> >>> iBATIS is an incubator project with an external Subversion  
> >>> repository that is now ready for import.
> >>>
> >>> The SVN dumpfile is available at
> >>>
> >>>
> > I went to load it into the test repository, but what I see appears
> > to be a tar of your SVN database, not a dump.  Please check.  Also,
> > does that include both your SVN and imported CVS repositories, or
> > just the former?
> >
> > As for graduation, although it seems that you've been beset by
> > infrastructure overload, I think you need to actually work in the
> > ASF infrastructure before graduating.  I expect that you agree.  :-)
> >
> > --- Noel
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