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From "Sanjiva Weerawarana" <>
Subject Re: Proposition: Twister WS-BPEL engine and Apache Agila
Date Thu, 21 Oct 2004 23:20:09 GMT
"Geir Magnusson Jr" <> writes:
> The goal is to do BPM, not specifically BPEL.  BPEL support is  
> certainly welcome, but should be a part of the overall project, not the  
> dominant focus.  There's more to BPM than BPEL :)

Absolutely :).

However, I think there's room in the WS project for an effort
focused purely on implementing BPEL. BPEL is a key component of
the WS-* stack and I for one would be happy to see a pure BPEL
effort in Apache.

> I think that bringing the two concepts together - workflow and WS  
> orchestration - would be a great goal :)

So as a co-author of BPEL I have to say that that was indeed 
one of our objectives .. clearly we have failed at least by 
you :).

In fact, IBM for one is moving its workflow product to support
BPEL only and no other flow language. So workflow and WS
orchestration are merged under BPEL.

However, I am willing to accept that BPEL is by no means 
sufficient for all BPM scenarios and that there is indeed
room for other work and implementations. I'm not trying
to force Agila to abandon its model here ..

So maybe the idea of a separate effort for BPEL is not a bad
idea. Dims, what do you think?

Geir, is the plan for Agila to go for a new TLP after incubation
or go to one of the existing projects?

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