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From Jim Jagielski <>
Subject Re: Derby code copyright question
Date Thu, 16 Sep 2004 12:22:32 GMT

On Sep 15, 2004, at 4:33 PM, Roy T. Fielding wrote:

>> That is correct. 2 main issues with any codebase
>> that the ASF develops is that (1) it be under the
>> Apache License and (2) that the Copyright be assigned
>> to the ASF.
>> So it must be licensed "by" the ASF (via the AL) and
>> "owned" by the ASF.
> That is not correct: CLAs and software grants are licenses,
> not assignments.  Larry Lessig says that the code should retain
> each contributor's copyright.  Apache has traditionally used the
> Apache copyright alone to make it clear that everyone is contributing
> to a joint work, and to avoid issues with ego and territory building.
> Nevertheless, copyright remains with the original contributor and
> only the copyright owner can change the notice.

You're right, I misspoke when I said "assigned". The original
owner still maintains copyright, and we never require that
the author gives it up. We do require that the ASF is also
allowed the copyright the collective work, which is
what I meant by "owning" the code (thus the quotes).

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