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From Brian McCallister <>
Subject Re: Incubation of iBATIS Data Mapper
Date Mon, 09 Aug 2004 14:09:31 GMT
+1 for this incubation, either joining db or as its own TLP wearing my 
DB PMC hat =)

On Aug 9, 2004, at 9:31 AM, Ted Husted wrote:

> It's true that we are all database/data persistence technologies, but, 
> in my experience, there is much more to an Apache product than 
> technology. My own concern as to would be scope.
> * PMC Scope
<snip />

There are actually more PMC members than that, the last several added 
from OJB aren't on the website list (I am one of those unlisted people, 
oops!), I realized over the weekend. Will fix it as soon as I get the 
site looking right under Maven 1.0.

iBATIS seems to fit well into DB, but if they don't want that for 
personal reasons as a project, their call =) In terms of skewing the 
PMC -- skew away if need be, I am a firm believer in the "all active 
committers should be PMC members" goal =)

> * Product scope
<snip />

This, to me, is a good argument for TLP status. There has been much 
concern over Jakarta being HUGE and hard to oversee. For the record, I 
think that concern over size is less important than capturing the idea 
crossover that has happened in Jakarta, though. The growth of useful 
tools there has been huge, and I am firm believer it is to a large 
degree the close proximity of projects which fostered this (virtual 
PARC type atmosphere).

> * Community scope
<snip />

All of the current DB projects (other than those in incubator) started 
in Jakarta (go momma Jakarta!) or spent some time there. Crossover in 
terms of projects being used by committers may not be there, but 
crossover in the problem domain is, I think. That is a stronger 
argument for me.

> Given these concerns, we thought it might be best to start the 
> discussion here, and get some feedback from the Incubator community, 
> before making a proposal.
> Of course, at the end of the day, I believe we care more about being a 
> member of House Apache than in which room we hang our hat :)

I cannot speak for the whole DB PMC, but I am pretty confident that the 
project would be quite happy to provide a hat peg and help as needed =) 
I'd love to see iBATIS join the DB project, and this seems the natural 
home for it, but if they really want a TLP, I certainly won't stand in 
the way (and would still be +1).


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