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From Brian McCallister <>
Subject [OT] Re: Incubation of iBATIS Data Mapper
Date Mon, 09 Aug 2004 14:14:12 GMT
Sorry for the double post, guess moderator let posting from my unsubbed 
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On Aug 9, 2004, at 10:10 AM, Brian McCallister wrote:

> +1 for this incubation, either joining db or as its own TLP wearing my 
> DB PMC hat =)
> On Aug 9, 2004, at 9:31 AM, Ted Husted wrote:
>> It's true that we are all database/data persistence technologies, 
>> but, in my experience, there is much more to an Apache product than 
>> technology. My own concern as to would be scope.
>> * PMC Scope
> <snip />
> There are actually more PMC members than that, the last several added 
> from OJB aren't on the website list (I am one of those unlisted 
> people, oops!), I realized over the weekend. Will fix it as soon as I 
> get the site looking right under Maven 1.0.
> iBATIS seems to fit well into DB, but if they don't want that for 
> personal reasons as a project, their call =) In terms of skewing the 
> PMC -- skew away if need be, I am a firm believer in the "all active 
> committers should be PMC members" goal =)
>> * Product scope
> <snip />
> This, to me, is a good argument for TLP status. There has been much 
> concern over Jakarta being HUGE and hard to oversee. For the record, I 
> think that concern over size is less important than capturing the idea 
> crossover that has happened in Jakarta, though. The growth of useful 
> tools there has been huge, and I am firm believer it is to a large 
> degree the close proximity of projects which fostered this (virtual 
> PARC type atmosphere).
>> * Community scope
> <snip />
> All of the current DB projects (other than those in incubator) started 
> in Jakarta (go momma Jakarta!) or spent some time there. Crossover in 
> terms of projects being used by committers may not be there, but 
> crossover in the problem domain is, I think. That is a stronger 
> argument for me.
>> Given these concerns, we thought it might be best to start the 
>> discussion here, and get some feedback from the Incubator community, 
>> before making a proposal.
>> Of course, at the end of the day, I believe we care more about being 
>> a member of House Apache than in which room we hang our hat :)
> I cannot speak for the whole DB PMC, but I am pretty confident that 
> the project would be quite happy to provide a hat peg and help as 
> needed =) I'd love to see iBATIS join the DB project, and this seems 
> the natural home for it, but if they really want a TLP, I certainly 
> won't stand in the way (and would still be +1).
> -Brian
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