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From Rodent of Unusual Size <Ken.C...@Golux.Com>
Subject Re: several messages
Date Tue, 13 Jul 2004 20:47:15 GMT

Brian Behlendorf wrote:
>> What if a company considers to introduce an open source strategy,
>> but the decision depends on whether the code is accepted as an
>> Apache project or not? I think they will avoid showing the code
>> before the project is accepted or rejected.
> Indeed, that is one subtext to my proposal.


i don't think i'm getting this.  are you saying that, if they
want to avoid revealing the code until the concept has been
accepted, we should automatically ignore the proposal?  'show
us the code or take a walk' ?

> On the other hand, I don't want corporations to view Apache as a "channel"
> for broader adoption of a new standard they've invented, a way to get a PR
> bang to help the stock price, etc.

i do not think that is going to happen.  not only because we've been
publicly thorny about this issue in the past, but because the
people directly tasked with the interface -- the incubator -- take
their jobs seriously and are especially vigilant.

> But when it comes to projects and their
> technical direction, I'd like to see us adopt policies that defuse the
> political tension that often arises.

i don't see that a 'show us the code' requirement is a technical direction
at all.  i see it as a political/philosophical stance.

> One way to do that, I feel, is asking that proposals to the incubator for
> new projects for incubation be able to point to pre-existing code.

as before, i disagree.  i have no problem with the incubator making a
case-by-case evaluation of what's needed to process/accept a proposal.
i *do* have a problem with setting down a policy that ties its hands,
whether that policy is 'show us the code' or 'you don't need to show us
the code.'

> That
> reduces the pressue on us to accept - instead of saying "accept this
> proposal, or this code isn't released at all"

i think everyone involved is strong-willed enough to bristle and
take umbrage at such a thing, rather than being cowed by it.

'show us the code' could be construed as 'we don't want to even look
at your code unless you let everyone else see it at the same time.'
i'm not sure how i feel about that construction.
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