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From "Noel J. Bergman" <>
Subject RE: PPMCs and oversight
Date Mon, 29 Dec 2003 08:06:27 GMT
Berin Lautenbach wrote:
> I will absolutely agree that we want to keep [rules] to a minimum.  But
> that minimum must exist for the ASF (as an organisation) to work.

Agreed.  Some of which I think are for the Incubator PMC to impose on itself
as necessary, but don't effect the structure of the PPMC.

> I *do* care that, as a member of the PMC, I am discharging my role
> in ensuring the ASF is being protected, and that projects entering
> the foundation do so in a manner that will not bring harm on the
> foundation.

I agree.  Plus I would add that successfully incubated projects enhance the

> However there should be one person (the single mentor that we
> originally had) who is tracking the project, the PPMC etc.,
> holding them to task and making the Incubator PMC aware of any
> issues.  That to me is a critical task, and one that requires
> a level of accountability.

I disagree.  I believe that with the PPMC structure in place, we should hold
the PPMC accountable, just as every PMC is accountable.  We need to ensure
that the PPMC members are well aware of the responsibility of the PPMC, and
that it is accountable.  I think that instilling that sense of
accountability there from the beginning is important, and that installing a
designated taskmaster as I feel you describe it would be counter-productive.

We do need to make sure that the PMC is aware of any issues, but I believe
that between Incubator PMC members being intimately involved on the PPMC,
and reports from the PPMC, I believe we have that covered.

	--- Noel

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