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From "Noel J. Bergman" <>
Subject RE: [RT] Incubator Reorg
Date Wed, 03 Dec 2003 15:20:13 GMT
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:

> > 2) Suppose I write 50K lines of code and it lives on sourceforge for a
> > year.  Maven takes a liking to it and I contribute it (and in the
> > process am made a committer).  Clearly a software grant is required, but
> > is a PPMC needed or does the incubator need to be involved?

> If the code will go in a subproject of Maven with mostly existing
> committers, a PPMC is not needed.

> In essence, a PPMC is needed for new communities made of new committers,
> not for new codebases per se.

I had to re-read your message a few times to see why I thought I disagreed
with you, but I think I see it, and we don't disagree.  You are not saying
that the Incubator doesn't have an obligation with respect to the codebase,
just that there isn't a community to incubate.

As I understand it, any externally developed codebase needs to go through
the Incubator, although if the situation is as you describe, hopefully it
would exit quickly, too.  There would be a software grant, but we need to
make sure that (for example) it doesn't have IP issues related to code that
it uses.  That seems to be the same as your comment:

> My first guess is that we should simply set up a page for code grants as
> we do for incubating projects, and a directory to store the grant stuff.
> PMC chairs would simply track the status of the donation there.

I don't believe that we need a special case of this situation.  If there is
no new community, the PPMC would simply be the two PMCs.  The community
issues are considered finished, and only the codebase issues need to be

I feel that we do need to more clearly identify a list of ourstanding issues
needing to be cleared for each project to exit.  The new STATUS page should
help.  I've no clue what issues are outstanding for Lenya, even looking at
the current STATUS page for Lenya

	--- Noel

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