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From "Noel J. Bergman" <>
Subject RE: projects incubated by the incubator PMC
Date Tue, 09 Dec 2003 03:37:01 GMT
> > > I would propose those documents be changed to state that what is
> > > outlined above is a prerequisite for entry into the incubator.
> > -1.

> So you can veto a vote I would propose to members I feel is in the best
> interest of preserving the integrity of the software here.

Where did you see a veto?  A -1 is a veto on code, not P&P.

> I find it ridiculous that a body of code can land here
> with absolutely no direction.

I accept that as your view.  I disagree with you, but I accept your opinion
as yours.

> In the past when the incubator didn't exist when new bodies of code came
> in they became entities like, or fell
> under one of those TLPs.  Why should it be any different now?

For the reasons that brought the Incubator into existence.

> Apache shall simply become a directory of projects whereby the
> only requirement is successful incubation?  If so I think that
> definitely requires a vote because as a member that's not what
> I see Apache being.

Well, first of all, successful incubation isn't nothing.  It means that the
project *started* with a Member or Officer sponsoring it, and the Incubator
PMC voting to give it a chance.  And then it was able to attract a
sustainable community, and operate according to Apache principles.  But you
are implying that you have a particular vision for the ASF.  What is that?

	--- Noel

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