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From "Noel J. Bergman" <>
Subject RE: [RT] Incubator Reorg
Date Tue, 02 Dec 2003 16:45:41 GMT
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
> Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> > >Who should be on each ppmc?
> > >  - all PMC members of the future PMC (committers + landing PMC
> > >  - all Incubator PMC members (or just mentors?)
> >
> > AIUI, yes.  All of the above.

> So the Mentors would be the only ones that must stay also on the other
> project mailing lists, correct?

The PPMC would consist of *all* PMC members from both the landing PMC and
the Incubator PMC, plus the committers.  Yes, I believe that we could say
that the Mentors would be the ones required to participate on the -dev list.
The rest would have to "catch up" to the extent that PPMC discussion
requires external context.  Otherwise, I don't think that it scales.

> Also, IIUC committers would be on the PPMC but not on the PMC, correct?

This might bear tweaking, but I don't believe that for Incubator purposes,
the project Committers would be part of the Incubator PMC.  If this
structure were adopted by Jakarta, however, each sub-project would have a
PPMC, and the Jakarta PMC would be the union of all.

> > >5) Reporting the the main Incubator PMC
> > Non-issue (see above).

> If we make a Lenya PPMC list, it will be private IIUC.


> Development and discussions will still go on the dev lists, and
> only Mentors have to be there. Hence there is a status update issue.
> Or maybe I just got it all wrong...

Yes, but the status update issue would occur on the PPMC list, which *IS*
the union of the Incubator PMC, the Cocoon PMC and the Lenya Committers.
That is what the notion of reporting to the "main Incubator PMC" is a
non-issue.  The correct issue is reporting to the PPMC.

The PPMC would be the means by which a project is governed.  The PPMC list
is the private list for its use.  The PMC is for the Incubator, itself.

As I am envisioning this working, if there is an issue to be addressed by
the PPMC, and that issue is to be discussed in public, the PPMC would have
to subscribe to the public list for discussion.  There would be a summary
posting to the PPMC list letting everyone know of the issue, with references
to the archives.  That appears to balance providing oversight with being

That's my current strawman.  Work for you?

	--- Noel

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