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From Berin Lautenbach <>
Subject Re: PPMCs and oversight
Date Sat, 27 Dec 2003 07:36:04 GMT
Actually I see the mentor as being more than just requesting reports.  I 
see the mentor as the formal link between the incubating projects and 
the ASF.  A guide in the true sense of the word, and a person the ASF 
(generally in the form of the Incubator PMC) can hold accountable for 
the ongoing progress of incubation.

For example, watching XML-Beans, I believe Ted played an incredibly 
useful role at the start in just getting things up and running and in 
assisting the project to start up.  To me, that role is too important to 
leave as an informal thing.  If it doesn't exist and nobody does it (or 
everybody things someone else is doing it), incubation stands a good 
chance of failing.

Again - the mentor is the bootstrap.  He/She achieves success by 
becoming redundant :>.

But maybe this is my big company (always very desirous of 
accountability) background showing through :>.


Noel J. Bergman wrote:

> Berin Lautenbach wrote:
> When the Incubator is coming up for its own quarterly report, I think that
> the Incubator Chair can send out a reminder to each PPMC list reminding
> them.  The PMC, for its part, can and should make sure that there is
> sufficient oversight, but I don't believe that we need to designate someone
> as *the* Mentor, so much as make sure that there are always members
> involved.  As for getting work done, the PPMC ought to take responsibility,
> and the less it needs someone to ensure that tasks are accomplished, the
> better.
> Perhaps we will find out that we need something more formal, but the less we
> need of that the better.
> 	--- Noel
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