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From Nicola Ken Barozzi <>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Re: request for incubation: axion database project
Date Tue, 23 Dec 2003 09:05:13 GMT

Rodney Waldhoff wrote:
> I understand the way .htaccess works.  I would still suggest this isn't
> quite "transparent". 

There is a reason why we want incubating projects to be published under 
the incubator URL, and this reason has come out of the current 
incubations that do not have this rule.

Incubating projects are *not* fully accepted Apache projects, and users 
should *not* think that Apache endorses them as projects that will 
outlive their original creators. Publishing the site under the 
destination gives a perception that it's already done, that it's already 
Apache stuff, minus some legal details, while it's not the case.

Look, some of this incubation stuff is not nice, it apparently doesn't 
give anything to the project. I know you would all like to just do 
without it and move into Apache and who cares. But some things have to 
be done, and some things *do* have an impact that is greater than single 
projects see.

*Every* project comes here saying "well, but I'm different, I don't need 
this and that, come on, take it easier on me". So in the end, they are 
not different at all in this ;-)
We even had to make a FAQ for this:

Sorry for this rant, but I keep hearing these things over and over each 
day, and it gets really tiresome at times.

> As evidence of this, I'll note that despite how technically easy it
> is to "automatically" make this move, it has not been done for the 5
> or more projects currently hosted at their "destination" URL.

Because they have started incubation without the rule. Our policy is not 
to change the rules to incubating projects if not extremely necessary. 
This thing is important but not critical, so it was not *that* important 
to do it.

Nicola Ken Barozzi         
             - verba volant, scripta manent -
    (discussions get forgotten, just code remains)

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