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From Rodney Waldhoff <>
Subject RE: [VOTE] Re: request for incubation: axion database project
Date Wed, 24 Dec 2003 06:55:00 GMT
On Tue, 23 Dec 2003, Noel J. Bergman wrote:

> Rodney Waldhoff wrote:
> > I am as interested in making Axion's incubation status clear as you
> > Some sort of "incubation status" notice [or logo]
> You mean like,
> along with a well-placed disclaimer like found at
> and

Yes.  Weren't those essentially my examples?

Digging a bit futher, I note there is suggested text in the "Incubation
Policy" docs.

> Rodney, I am sympathetic to your build issues.

And I believe that you are.

> OTOH, there is the branding issue that Tetsuya raised, ironically making
> the opposite point than he intended.

I'm not sure Tetsuya's concerns are the same as mine here. In fact, I'm
pretty sure there not.

> You have certain technical issues related to your build process

> (honestly, temporary page ranking is not something I rate highly in
> context).

(trouble is it's not always so "temporary", especially when you find
yourself on a blacklist or penalty list)

> Do you have a proposal that would make everyone happy?

Apparently not yet ;)

> Would a symlink arrangement help resolve the build and URL issues?  For
> example, you could build and install the site as normal, but .htaccess
> would redirect HTTP requests to the incubator domain, which would have a
> link to your file structure.

I think it might. We may need to poke at that from both the db and
incubator infrastrure perspectives a bit more to figure it out, but it
seems like something like that should work.  The DB Project doesn't have
anything like incubator-site, its generated files are not stored in CVS,
so a simple .htaccess redirect might suffice after all.  We'd want to
ensure two things: (1) that users can't get to
without being redirected to, and (2) that
updates to axion's site docs, or to relevant bits of the general db-site
docs, get reflected in the site in a
reasonable timeframe.  The impact this will have on db-shared pages like and are
of some concern, but this seems like an issue for the DB, not Incubator,
Project to work out.

I'm also a little concerned that this domain shift may wreak havoc on
relative links (since the DB site build will assume the host is, but I suppose we can slog through those one way or
another.  (It's the little issues like these that make me believe this is
creating more effort than will (the ASF) gain from it.)

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