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From Greg Stein <>
Subject Re: [VOTE] New Incubator rules and scope definition (long)
Date Sun, 14 Dec 2003 00:35:22 GMT
On Sat, Dec 13, 2003 at 01:28:53PM -0500, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> Nicola Ken appears to have decided that the Incubator will incubate only
> projects intended for TLP status, and is otherwise a recording service for
> other PMCs to use.  In that model, it would be the Cocoon PMC's
> responsibility to incubate the Lenya Community, and to record the IP issues
> in the Incubator.  I am concerned that this relinquishes the oversight role,


> although I agree that when a project is expected to merge into an existing
> TLP, we need a more collaborative and streamlined relationship with the
> existing community.

Sure. The PPMC thing is looking like that should help.

> > That seems contrary to the purpose of the Incubator. The Incubator is for
> > *all* projects. It doesn't decide which ones stay with Incubator and which
> > go to other PMCs -- it takes them all until they are "done".
> Would you please share both the Board's intent for the Incubator (at least
> to refresh everyone's mind, and to inform those who haven't read the
> archives), and your vision?

Just read the first part of the Board resolution which established the

    WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests
    of the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to
    establish a Project Management Committee charged with accepting new
    products into the Foundation, providing guidance and support to help
    each new product engender their own collaborative community, educating
    new developers in the philosophy and guidelines for collaborative
    development as defined by the members of the Foundation, and proposing
    to the board the promotion of such products to independent PMC status
    once their community has reached maturity.

Individual PMCs should be *very* wary about bringing in code to the ASF.
There is a grey area between "a hunk of code" and a new "product" (that
term was used to differentiate between "project" as in PMC). If a PMC
brings in a product without going through the Incubator, then they are not
abiding by the wishes of the Board [defined by the construction of the
Incubator project].


Greg Stein,

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