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From Rodney Waldhoff <>
Subject Re: projects incubated by the incubator PMC
Date Mon, 08 Dec 2003 23:07:21 GMT
On Sun, 7 Dec 2003, Roy T. Fielding wrote:

> There is no reason for a project to have a final destination until
> it has to go somewhere other than incubator, at which point it can
> decide whether it wants to be a TLP (calling for a board vote) or
> part of an existing project (calling for that project's pmc to vote).

The language and policy regarding sponsors in
<> and
others, while not directly contradicting that statement, certainly seems
to encourage the opposite.

If the intention is to generally decide at the point of graduation whether
a project is a TLP or a part of an exsiting project rather than at the
time of initiation, then I think the language of policy/guidelines should
be revised.  The current language regarding sponsors makes it sound like
"lazy destination selection" is the exception rather than the rule.

> Maybe we should have a six month limit on incubation, where the
> result is promote or punt.
> We have no way to measure the worthiness of a project before it has
> even started, and generally speaking we are MUCH MUCH MUCH better off
> if a project gets started in Apache rather than on sourceforge.
> I don't care if there is some overlap with Wagon, nor do I care for
> any further discussion about which one is better -- if I can't find
> some objective criteria for evaluating software, then I obviously
> don't need that software. Once I need it, I can figure out for myself
> which one is better -- I don't need someone to assume that for me.
> It is easier for Apache to support both projects than to arbitrarily
> choose between the two.
> ....Roy

- Rod <>

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