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From Jason van Zyl <>
Subject Re: [VOTE] New Incubator rules and scope definition (long)
Date Sat, 13 Dec 2003 14:42:37 GMT
On Sat, 2003-12-13 at 09:28, Greg Stein wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 13, 2003 at 03:41:55AM -0500, Jason van Zyl wrote:
> > On Sat, 2003-12-13 at 03:23, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
> >...
> > > In any case, you are free to post anything at any time, but this vote 
> > > will of course go on (and yes, it will last more than a couple of days, 
> > > being so important).
> Any vote should be at least 72 hours.
> > > In any case, if the vote is positive, we can start using the new rules 
> > > and continue discussing your proposal as a next step.
> > 
> > No, I would ask that you don't continue as my vote will not be positive
> Votes should never be held up for any individual. 

I did expect it which is why I asked if it would be acceptable to hold

> That is the equivalent
> of "filibustering" :-) There are many people involved, and it would be
> inappropriate for individuals to hold up what all the rest are doing.

I don't think I have a history of trying to hold things up! :-)

> If you want to have a say, then sit down and take the time to do it.
> Otherwise, the project moves along without your input.

That's exactly what I doing but a couple days isn't quite long enough in
this case. I have already shuffled a couple things around to try and
make some time.

> > and at the very least I would like to spend a couple days finishing my
> > response. I have no idea what the voting procedures are or what my vote
> > actually counts for it at all but it's tentatively -1.
> Given that this is a non-technical issue, that -1 is a simple "no" vote
> (no such thing as vetoes for non-tech issues). However, it is also a
> non-binding vote as you are not part of the PMC. Given your Membership
> status and your involvement so far in incubator issues, I would support
> your request to join the PMC if you wanted (and were willing to continue
> your activity beyond the current issue). 


> Even without your joining the
> PMC, I consider your input valuable and would absolutely take your vote
> into consideration.

Much appreciated.

> Cheers,
> -g

Jason van Zyl

In short, man creates for himself a new religion of a rational
and technical order to justify his work and to be justified in it.
  -- Jacques Ellul, The Technological Society

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