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From Jason van Zyl <>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Official Name for "Geronimo" Project
Date Sun, 30 Nov 2003 00:09:12 GMT
On Sat, 2003-11-29 at 18:35, Roy T. Fielding wrote:
> Apache was named after the Apache tribes -- "a patchy" server was an
> afterthought.  We've generally avoided any discussion of the topic
> because involvement of a native american "activist" will only result
> in trouble for us.  Those people are not Apache -- they don't even have
> a clue.  The various tribes that are called Apache (by their enemies)
> have more specific names for themselves.  Thus, we don't have any
> complaints from the Apache people (only from white folks who think
> they know better).
> However, Geronimo is a real person.  He has descendants -- relatives
> who are very much concerned about abuse of his name.  Moreover, I think
> it is unethical to use such a name without permission

If there have been complaints from decendants that have asked that the
name strictly not be used for anything then I would agree it shouldn't
be used. I missed your first note on the subject.

I honestly didn't think the use of the name in this context was an


Jason van Zyl

In short, man creates for himself a new religion of a rational
and technical order to justify his work and to be justified in it.
  -- Jacques Ellul, The Technological Society

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