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From Jason van Zyl <>
Subject Re: [Possible Incubation] Apache Repo
Date Sat, 08 Nov 2003 22:09:02 GMT
On Sat, 2003-11-08 at 16:57, Roy T. Fielding wrote:
> I think that producing a single repository, or at least a set of
> mechanisms that allow a single storage facility to look like a
> repository with multiple interfaces, is a task for infrastructure
> and commons to work out (meaning that the people who have interest
> in such a thing will work together to minimize the cost to the ASF,
> both in terms of bandwidth and volunteer time, under the auspices
> of the people responsible for keeping us on the net).  We don't
> need a separate group for that because it is an internal task,
> and there are no IP issues that require a trip through incubator.
> If there are additional software tools that might make useful
> Apache products and people to stoke the engines, then we should
> incubate those here as new projects.  We just need a clear proposal.

So if I understand this correctly the discussions on repository@apache
should now be conducted on infrastructure where we are talking about the
physical layout of the repository in a file system that is accessible
via http.

While software that may operate on this physical structure is a matter
for the various projects whether it be existing code in places like
Ant/Maven or new code that is brought to the incubator?

Just trying to clarify, is this correct?

If so that sounds good to me as the repository@apache discussions were
getting way out of hand and I would prefer if it were a simple task of
defining a physical structure that lends itself to easy access.

> I cannot say this enough: umbrella projects are the bane of Apache.
> The sooner we get away from the concept of "everybody has to be
> concerned with everyone else's projects" and back to each project
> governing itself under collaborative principles, the better and
> stronger we will be in the long run.  Consensus is a good way to
> make decisions, not a good way to explore alternative designs.
> We need to welcome as many offshoots as possible, albeit with
> different names to avoid confusion, and we must always be willing
> to learn from each other's mistakes and successes.  The essence
> Apache philosophy is that we want people to copy what we do,
> regardless of why they choose to do so.


> ....Roy
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Jason van Zyl

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