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From Jeff Turner <>
Subject Re: JIRA @ ASF (was: Re: policy question)
Date Fri, 22 Aug 2003 07:18:55 GMT
(moving to infrastructure@, where this is more relevant. Thread at

On Thu, Aug 21, 2003 at 01:36:35PM -0400, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> Jeff,
> Jeff Turner wrote:
> > I volunteer :)  Hacking JIRA is my day job.
> I think it would be helpful to have a discussion and consensus on which
> issue tracking tool should be adopted, and why, but it ought to be ASF-wide.
> I don't believe that it makes sense for us to use multiple tools in the same
> space.

Consensus across the entire ASF?  I suppose it is possible, but
demonstrably not with Bugzilla, and IMHO not with Scarab.

Consensus amongst the poor suckers responsible for long-term maintenance
would be more viable and more interesting.

For a start, has anyone investigated whether Scarab scales to handle the
quantity of issues Bugzilla is currently handling?  JIRA has a Bugzilla
importer, so that's one of the things I'd like to investigate with a
pilot install.

> Personally, I think that one criteria (but only one) ought to be having
> people eager and available to maintain whatever tool is adopted.

Yes.  It's no good me or any one person promising to be here in 5 years
time.  There has to be a pool of users sufficiently interested and
empowered to be able to become administrators.

I think the 'empowered' part is where Bugzilla falls down.  I don't know
about Scarab, but JIRA administration is mostly done through the web
interface.  Project-specific admins can be specified, who are allowed to
create new versions/components for their project.


> For JIRA, we have you and Henri Yandell volunteering to help admin the
> tool.  For bugzilla, we've really got no one who seems devoted to it
> (or they just stay quiet).  Both Scarab and bugzilla apparently have
> made great strides elsewhere, but their ASF installations have
> languished, and haven't been anyone's priority to maintain.  Both are
> scheduled to be updated as soon as a major operating system update to
> nagoya is completed, but that's been postponed.
> 	--- Noel

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