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From Nicola Ken Barozzi <>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Policy for incubating project resources (was Re: xmlbeans project )
Date Tue, 29 Jul 2003 17:01:27 GMT

Steven Noels wrote, On 29/07/2003 18.50:

> On 29/07/2003 10:41 Berin Lautenbach wrote:
>> Steven Noels wrote:
>>> and see to bring XMLBeans where people can actually help them out. 
>>> Apart from Nicola's apparent efforts in keeping the Incubator alive, 
>>> most of the real action is done by infrastructure peeps, and the 
>>> dispersed shepherds of incubating projects, most of them assumably 
>>> under the umbrella of the XML/Jakarta PMC. Let's keep it that way, 
>>> and keep the incubating projects close to an active PMC.
>> But being careful not to throw the baby out with the bath water.  I 
>> would have said there is real value in the Incubator defining and 
>> fleshing out a process that is used by the various PMCs for incubation. 
> Totally agree with that, of course, although I find this hard to find 
> back in what Nicola has been up to this far (sorry to say so). 

Hey, I'm the Incubator! 1-to-1 mapping! ;-P

> I'm 
> willing to help out since I firmly believe in the need for a good 
> acceptance/incubation process and tangible help for fledgling new Apache 
> projects (and growth of new ASF projects is unavoidable, necessary, even 
> healthy IMHO) - OTOH I feel a certain tendency towards overregulation 
> and protectionism which I don't find inspiring.

Overregulation? Please be specific.

> After spending considerable time off-list with Cliff preparing his 
> proposal, I'm getting a bit weary with all this rules stuff 

ASF is incorporated. We have certain rules to abide to, like licensing 
et all. And also internal rules, that you know quite well, about voting, 
and about infrastructure policies.

Which rules make you so tired? I just blocked the creation of some 
resources for less than a week, and you are already tired? It takes 
years to build good communities, and patience is a virtue. I don't 
honestly think that some days will ruin it all.

Suggestion: why don't we get to know the XMLBeans guys better? What 
about if each of them sends us a mail with a brief bio and expectations?

Nicola Ken Barozzi         
             - verba volant, scripta manent -
    (discussions get forgotten, just code remains)

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