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From Ted Leung <>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Policy for incubating project resources (was Re: xmlbeans project )
Date Wed, 30 Jul 2003 07:05:11 GMT
On 7/29/2003 2:50 PM, Roy T. Fielding wrote:

>> I've no issue with rules, except when we say we have rules but can't 
>> articulate them.  Example #1. What should the names of the mailing 
>> lists and CVS be? or 
> We don't have that rule.  Nicola Ken suggested creating such a rule.
> My opinion is that we will continue to meander around until someone
> who gives a rat's ass about some new project volunteers to set up
> the incubation process.  Right now, nobody even wants to chair the PMC
> because anyone who attempts to lead is shot down and everyone who wants
> to create a new project is unwilling to work on documenting its progress.

I'm willing up to a certain point to do some work on this.  My 
frustration is that
the incubator has existed for quite some time, and should already have 
some project
guidelines like the ones that I referred to.  

The reason that people don't want to work on documenting the progress is 
that they
don't like the process.  They were told to go through the process by the 
ASF.  Inside
the ASF we have been told to use the incubator (whether we like it or 
not).  People who
signed up to be on the incubator volunteered to do the work of setting 
up guidelines and
giving advice to new projects.  So where are the guidelines?  Where is 
the board oversight
of the incubator as a project?

> In other words, there are insufficient volunteers to accept any new
> projects at Apache right now.  Please come back at a later date, or
> volunteer to do the work and I'll give you cvs access.

This is not true.  Steven Noels, myself, and Berin Lautenbach are 
working to get this project
into Apache.   I certainly didn't know that I was volunteering to do the 
Incubator PMC's job
for it.  I already have CVS access for incubator.  I'd much rather you 
gave me root and apmail
so that I can create the stuff that this project needs.   Fortunately 
for the incubator PMC,
Cliff and Berin are willing to do some work to improve the incubator 


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