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From Nicola Ken Barozzi <>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Policy for incubating project resources (was Re: xmlbeans project )
Date Mon, 28 Jul 2003 06:03:24 GMT
Berin Lautenbach wrote, On 27/07/2003 10.48:

> Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
>>> Which is one of the things I'm having problems grappling with at the 
>>> moment.  Exactly what are the responsibilities of the various parties 
>>> in this process?
>> It's simple:
>> The Incubator PMC is responsible for the project. All others (can) help.
> Not sure I understand?  (Call me slow :>).  I'm more trying to determine 
> how that responsibility is realised.
> So for example, there is a requirement for a shepherd.  That person has 
> a set of responsibilities.  What are they?  

The shepherd not on the Incubator project has no more responsibilities 
than the ones from the project itself or the ones of any other Apache 
committer. The incubator shepherd has the responsibilities that any 
other Incubator project member has.

Nothing different from the XML PMC.

> How is this oversited by the Incubator PMC?

Reading the mailing lists, the help of the incubator/non-incubator 
shepherd, the status file of the project in the incubator CVS.

> And also - what is the PMC not responsible for?  I've seen in various 
> places that the Incubator makes no decisions on technical merits (makes 
> sense) of a new project/sub-project.

The PMC is responsible for everything, but as with any PMC, does not 
decide on technical merits. Nothing different from the XML PMC.

> I notice in the STATUS file for the overall project, there is a plan for 
> a set of bylaws for the project.  I think that would be a great help.


> It looks like this is all very much understood by those more intimately 
> involved in the incubation process.  For those of us coming in cold, 
> it's a tad confusing.

Well, it's because it seems that there are some strange ideas WRT what 
incubation is.

Look, if instead of the "Incubation PMC" it was the "XML PMC", would it 
have been less confusing?

Again, don't confuse responsibility with "who does the work". In our 
case, ATM, the Incubator PMC basically controls that things don't go out 
of bounds. As for making the project proceed, it takes someone else for 
that, hence the sheperd or mentor thing.

We are still learning and need fresh helpers, of you will join the 
effort and keep helping like you do now, with suggestions and questions, 
it will slowly get better :-)

Nicola Ken Barozzi         
             - verba volant, scripta manent -
    (discussions get forgotten, just code remains)

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