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From "Howard M. Lewis Ship" <>
Subject [STATUS] Tapestry [LACK-OF] Progress
Date Mon, 10 Mar 2003 23:58:22 GMT
How, exactly, is Tapestry ever expected to exit the proposal stage?

Despite repeated attempts, Tapestry is NOT in BugZilla.  We're still forced
to use SourceForge for bug tracking.

Tapestry's mailing lists are not getting archived any more (not since 2/21).

Nobody seems to know ANY of the procedures for getting things done.  Nothing
is documented.  Simple things like the correct way to distribute a release
(including signing and mirroring) are just "known" by the right people ...
and I don't even know who is in the know.

Andrew and Dion have been helpful, both before the move and after.

The only other accomplishment of the incubation process has been a code
audit that resulted in a shuffling of the libraries checked into CVS and
distributed with the framework.

Jakarta infrastructure is non-existent. Worse, the Jakarta culture
erroneously expects things to get done based on e-mails, rather than
something organized, like using BugZilla to track infrastructure requests. 

The Incubator team has yet to provide a time table or a check list to
indicate what the exit criteria are.  In terms of Tapestry's commitments to
the Incubator, it looks like we're more than there (based on  In terms of Incubator's
commitments to Tapestry ... that is, to assist Tapestry in moving into
Jakarta, fitting in, and accessing infrastructure; very little has been

Howard M. Lewis Ship
Creator, Tapestry: Java Web Components

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