From dims@yahoo.com Thu Feb 20 11:30:53 2003 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 8410 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2003 11:30:53 -0000 Received: from web12801.mail.yahoo.com (216.136.174.36) by daedalus.apache.org with SMTP; 20 Feb 2003 11:30:53 -0000 Message-ID: <20030220113053.48681.qmail@web12801.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.96.10.226] by web12801.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 03:30:53 PST Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 03:30:53 -0800 (PST) From: Davanum Srinivas Reply-To: dims@yahoo.com Subject: Re: OpenSAML VOTE Results (was Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenSAML as part of Web Services ) To: general@incubator.apache.org In-Reply-To: <3E5452D3.2010302@apache.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Sam, Ok. What should we do about OpenSAML? Since we are facing a problem here. Thanks, dims --- Sam Ruby wrote: > Davanum Srinivas wrote: > > Andrew, > > > > Since Web Services = Legal Mine field...Getting the license for Apache will ensure that Apache > as > > a Legal Entity will be protected and that the coding can go on for now. There are 2 JSR's in > the > > jcp and WS-Security spec in OASIS that will need this as well. > > > > Am not sure there anything else we can do in this situation. Am afraid this problem is going > to > > crop up up more and more in the future. > > Please don't overgeneralize. > > I don't believe that SOAP or WSDL or JAX RPC are legal mine fields. > Every few months or so, however, a conspiracy theory shows up on > Slashdot or the Register or ScriptingNews that IBM or Microsoft or RSA > or whoever is undermining web services with patents. > > I very much want Apache to be a safe haven from this. To put this > another way, I want people to be able to come to Apache without concern > for putting their own Intellectual Property at risk. > > Once we muddy the waters, people will feel that they will have to > scrutinize everything from Apache more carefully as they can't trust us > to police ourselves. > > What can we do? We can say yes to projects which aren't encumbered by > such restrictions and no to projects which are. Hopefully, this will > get some to change, and perhaps in other cases we will find safer > alternatives. > > - Sam Ruby > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org > ===== Davanum Srinivas - http://webservices.apache.org/~dims/ __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/