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From Nicola Ken Barozzi <>
Subject Re: OpenSAML VOTE Results (was Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenSAML as part of Web Services )
Date Wed, 19 Feb 2003 17:04:45 GMT

Davanum Srinivas wrote, On 17/02/2003 16.23:
> Incubator Folks,
> We (PMC@WS) had a VOTE for accepting OpenSAML as part of Web Services project. Here are
> results.
> +1 from 12 members. Zero -1 or -0 or +0 votes.


> What should we do next. Please advise.

The only thing that I'd want to nail down is the license issue.

Below is what seems the last mail on this subject on this list.
Reading that, I tend to think that the incubator, at this point, is 
capable of taking a formal position on this matter, and we should 
probably ask the board.

What do other incubator PMCers think of it?

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: Revised OpenSAML proposal
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 16:23:33 -0500
From: Scott Cantor <>
Organization: The Ohio State University

 > > "A" license? What does this mean, that Apache has a license but all
 > > users of it need to ask for one too?  %-|
 > i think you'd need to ask an IPR lawyer this.

The RSA position up to this point is that vendors of toolkits not only 
need to get a license, but also notify their customers that
they must acquire one. So Apache gets one to distribute this code, and 
then provides the notice to users.

The *rumor* is that they may be changing their mind about this special 
toolkit case, but that's not anything more than rumor.

The fundamental issue is that there is *no* license to get yet. It 
doesn't exist, the process doesn't exist, etc. We've been
distributing code, Sun has shipping products, RSA and Phaos and others 
have toolkits, etc.

So there just isn't much ground to stand on yet.

 > maybe someone at the ASF needs to approach RSA officially and
 > find out what their position is.

Many others are already doing this within the SSTC, and we will 
communicate that we're getting even more anxious on the call next

-- Scott

Nicola Ken Barozzi         
             - verba volant, scripta manent -
    (discussions get forgotten, just code remains)

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