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From Stefano Mazzocchi <>
Subject Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Incubator Sandbox
Date Tue, 14 Jan 2003 12:22:55 GMT
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
> Many projects have a sandbox where developers can try new things related 
> to the project. But developers still want to have a place where to 
> experiment new things, not necessarily tied with the scope of a project 
> they're in.
> Current lack of such a space has lead to
>  1 - Projects keep creating new things and expanding scope
>      For example, Maven, a project build tool, is a sub-project of
>      Turbine, that is a sub-project of Jakarta...
>  2 - Projects need to try new things
>      For example Avalon has projects like EOB and Jesktop that were
>      not created under Avalon because are built *on* Avalon, not
>      for Avalon. Do committers have to go to Sourceforge to do these
>      things?
>  3 - Jakarta Commons Sandbox has an expanded scope
>      Jakarta Commons Sandbox is now filling this role because
>      projects that not necessarily will fit in the Commons Charter
>      get started there. There is an evident need for it from what
>      I see.
> A need to make new projects but a need for project consistency create 
> IMHO embarassement in developers, that some times decide to put stuff in 
> Commons Sandbox, some in Sourceforge, some inside existing projects.
> I would propose that the Incubator creates a "subproject" to enable 
> experiments of code by Apache Committers in a SVN repository. Incubator 
> Sandbox would be the place where anybody @ Apache can start coding 
> together and share a space.
> Thoughts?

I tend to think that such a sandbox will only increase the probability 
of the sourceforge effect and won't stop projects from extending their 
scopes and grow subprojects inside.

But I could well be wrong as I've been several times in the past, even 
on this matter.

Stefano Mazzocchi                               <>

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