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From Nicola Ken Barozzi <>
Subject [PROPOSAL] Apache Incubator Sandbox
Date Mon, 13 Jan 2003 15:23:20 GMT

Many projects have a sandbox where developers can try new things related 
to the project. But developers still want to have a place where to 
experiment new things, not necessarily tied with the scope of a project 
they're in.

Current lack of such a space has lead to

  1 - Projects keep creating new things and expanding scope

      For example, Maven, a project build tool, is a sub-project of
      Turbine, that is a sub-project of Jakarta...

  2 - Projects need to try new things

      For example Avalon has projects like EOB and Jesktop that were
      not created under Avalon because are built *on* Avalon, not
      for Avalon. Do committers have to go to Sourceforge to do these

  3 - Jakarta Commons Sandbox has an expanded scope

      Jakarta Commons Sandbox is now filling this role because
      projects that not necessarily will fit in the Commons Charter
      get started there. There is an evident need for it from what
      I see.

A need to make new projects but a need for project consistency create 
IMHO embarassement in developers, that some times decide to put stuff in 
Commons Sandbox, some in Sourceforge, some inside existing projects.

I would propose that the Incubator creates a "subproject" to enable 
experiments of code by Apache Committers in a SVN repository. Incubator 
Sandbox would be the place where anybody @ Apache can start coding 
together and share a space.


Nicola Ken Barozzi         
             - verba volant, scripta manent -
    (discussions get forgotten, just code remains)

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