I recently wrote: > The second bold bit is just wrong, at least in my village of of Apache > land. That's wrong. > In HTTPD we have a convention that if you veto you have > responsibility to work to resolve the issue, otherwise - get out of the > way. Again there is plenty of wiggle room around that convention and I > suspect there is a much higher statement of the convention someplace. That's right. Since force(convention) < force(rule). This has become an convention only because we have tended to have some baseline of politeness, and it's arguable that force(polite) < force(convention). I prefer to reside in the land were quantity(polite) is high and quantity(rule) is low. Thanks to those who brought this mistake to my attention. Sam's question: does the paragraph in question "do no harm" is still an interesting one. At this point I'm not sure if we have ever had a rule - i.e. something written down that people adopting the role of umpire could point at and say "see - look! that's the rule!" About what responsibilities come with a veto. We may well have only had politeness or convention. If that's correct making up such rules would be going outside our brief. It's a subtle distinction, but I think an important one. This effort should attempt to say "It's been noticed that most of the time we do X." rather than "We have a rule that you do X." That gets you most of the value of behavior X - and helps new players to know that X is a useful design pattern - without running the risk that once in a blue moon X is a very bad idea. - ben