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From Cédric Champeau <cedric.champ...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Groovy Champions proposal feedback
Date Wed, 14 Feb 2018 11:23:40 GMT
> Or for something with a bit more pep "Groovy Vanguard Developer /
> Contributor 2018" or "Groovy Crack 2018".
>
> Contrary to Java Champions, I would suggest tying it to a specific year:
>

I like the idea of having it associated with a year, but it doesn't have
to. Explanation below.


> That way people who no longer are Groovy contributors do not carry the
> title forever (the Russian guy who is now working on Kotlin comes to mind)
>

His name is Alex Tkachman, and while he's not involved in the language
anymore, he's still one of the biggest contributors to Groovy. Most of the
performance improvements in the "legacy" (non indy) dynamic runtime of
Groovy were from him and still active. He was also source of inspiration
for the static compiler (Groovy++). I think he deserves the title more than
lots of us. And I think we shouldn't go into the "he's gone to competition"
route. Languages evolve, Kotlin is a very nice language, that took
inspiration from us as well as others, and we have lots of things to learn
from it too.


> , and on the other hand some people could get the title several years in a
> row, as a sign of continued gratitude.
>
>
If they do, they would be good candidates for the PMC.


> Cheers,
> mg
>
>
>
> On 13.02.2018 14:13, Søren Berg Glasius wrote:
>
> +1 on the name!
>
> I think it's cool to differentiate the Groovy award from other awards like
> Java Rock-stars and Java Champions, Grails Rock-stars, and more!
>
>
> On Tue, 13 Feb 2018 at 14:09 Guillaume Laforge <glaforge@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> It's funny, I think we didn't think about "stars" in our previous
>> conversations, and I must say I quite like it, and it makes sense
>> considering our logo :-D
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 1:58 PM, Jennifer Strater <jenn.strater@gmail.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> +1 for the proposal and +1 for "Groovy Stars"
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 1:54 PM, Paul King <paulk@asert.com.au> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I don't mind "Groovy Stars" as a name!
>>>>
>>>> Of course it begs the question "Star trek" or "Star Wars" - the long
>>>> journey
>>>> of programming language design vs the language wars! :-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 9:46 PM, Dierk König <dierk.koenig@canoo.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I’m all for honoring contributions to the
>>>>> language/ecosystem/community.
>>>>> Given our logo, „Groovy Star“ comes to mind :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>> Dierk
>>>>>
>>>>> sent from:mobile
>>>>>
>>>>> Am 13.02.2018 um 12:29 schrieb Paolo Di Tommaso <
>>>>> paolo.ditommaso@gmail.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>> It sound a nice idea also to promote the visibility of the groovy
>>>>> community.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> p
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 12:18 PM, Søren Berg Glasius <
>>>>> soeren@glasius.dk> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm definitely +1
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is always important to recognize and encourage the ones making
a
>>>>>> difference to the community.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Feb 2018 at 11:32 Schalk Cronjé <ysb33r@gmail.com>
wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's a +1 from me for the concep.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 13/02/2018 10:58, Paul King wrote:
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Hi everyone,
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > A few of us have had various discussions (in fact over many
years)
>>>>>>> > about having a recognition scheme similar to Java Champions,
>>>>>>> > perhaps called "Groovy Champions" or "Apache Groovy Champions"
>>>>>>> > or something else entirely if we think of a better name.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > I think the idea has always been to recognize contribution
within
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> > whole Groovy ecosystem not just the Apache Groovy project.
The many
>>>>>>> > tens of projects within the ecosystem are often where many
ideas
>>>>>>> come
>>>>>>> > from for the project's future evolution and also where future
>>>>>>> contributors
>>>>>>> > may arise. And in any case, Groovy has always been about
making
>>>>>>> > coding productive and fun and we should celebrate that widely!
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > There are various questions to ask like should such a scheme
>>>>>>> > be formally coordinated by the project/by Apache or should
it be
>>>>>>> run as a
>>>>>>> > community-driven unsanctioned activity and if so what guidelines
>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>> > be in place. Also, there are many details like how will
the scheme
>>>>>>> > operate?
>>>>>>> > How are new members elected? Is it a lifetime recognition
or is
>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>> > an "emeritus" status? And so forth. Java Champions vote
themselves
>>>>>>> > on new champions and the recognition has a lifetime status
for
>>>>>>> instance.
>>>>>>> > if we progress this idea, we'd need to make that all clear
but
>>>>>>> that isn't
>>>>>>> > the purpose of this email - we need to first decide if we
like the
>>>>>>> idea.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Even if we like the idea, there are still some hurdles to
step
>>>>>>> through.
>>>>>>> > We've already sought some informal feedback from other parts
of
>>>>>>> > Apache and other projects within the Groovy Ecosystem and
we'll
>>>>>>> > likely need further discussions. We want something that
embraces
>>>>>>> > the whole community but fits in with Apache project governance
>>>>>>> > around trademarks/branding.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > So, the first question is: are we as a project in favor
of such a
>>>>>>> scheme?
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Cheers, Paul.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Schalk W. Cronjé
>>>>>>> Twitter / Ello / Toeter : @ysb33r
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Best regards / Med venlig hilsen,
>>>>>> Søren Berg Glasius
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hedevej 1, Gl. Rye, 8680 Ry, Denmark
>>>>>> Mobile: +45 40 44 91 88 <+45%2040%2044%2091%2088>, Skype: sbglasius
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>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Guillaume Laforge
>> Apache Groovy committer & PMC Vice-President
>> Developer Advocate @ Google Cloud Platform
>>
>> Blog: http://glaforge.appspot.com/
>> Social: @glaforge <http://twitter.com/glaforge> / Google+
>> <https://plus.google.com/u/0/114130972232398734985/posts>
>>
> --
> Best regards / Med venlig hilsen,
> Søren Berg Glasius
>
> Hedevej 1, Gl. Rye, 8680 Ry, Denmark
> Mobile: +45 40 44 91 88 <+45%2040%2044%2091%2088>, Skype: sbglasius
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>
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